Plagiarism, Once Again… This time for money. (Book Buyers, you deserve better than this.)

Kat, “the business butler,” says…

Once again, Raythe Reign has been plagiarized.  This has happened before in past years, but this time… it’s different.  While the other instances have been fanfiction, there is no gray area today.  This time, our work was copy-pasta’d for money.

“Saving Sean” by Lynn Hagen

See our proof.

Update #5: I received an email from Siren Publishing with a rather absurd idea that they can keep the money they made off the admittedly plagiarized work and that somehow the author will pay the publisher’s share, too. Yeah … not.

Ms. Hagen told them she was “going to take care of it.”   Until I learn more I don’t want to give Ms. Hagen a forum and may well be writing about publishers who close their eyes and believe they can profit from plagiarism.

Update #4: Lynn Hagen (penname) called Raythe on the phone to speak with her.  Ms. Hagen admitted that she plagiarized from Sanctuary, apologized and offered some reasons.  Raythe asked if she would like to respond to some questions in public, i.e., on a RR blogpost in the near future. She said she would.

If you have any questions for Ms. Hagen put them in the comments.

Update #3: Now taken down from Kobo and B&N!

Update #2: Now taken down from Amazon!

Update: Readers are standing up for honesty!

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Why is this time different?

Though we never feel flattered by plagiarism, it could be argued that the fanfiction copy-and-pasting was misguided admiration.  But there is no excuse for copying whole chapters of someone else’s work and selling it as your own.

NONE.  It is theft, pure and simple.  She is making money from Raythe’s own words.

It’s pure laziness and greed to reap the rewards of another author’s work.  I get that writing erotic scenes is hard — after all, I have the full backstage view of Raythe’s work.  I can tell you that she agonizes over every tiny moment, wondering if it’s sexy enough, if it’s emotional enough.  As a writer should!  She puts in the time to deliver original content to Members — this is what they pay for.

But this individual copied someone else’s essay and got the A.

Unlike school, however, there are no official consequences for this cheater.  In fact, most people probably aren’t aware that the sex scene — the very PAY OFF of an M/M story for many readers — is blatantly copied. Before the “Raythe Reign Army” mobilized, she had mostly 4 and 5 stars.

Readers, you’re being duped and insulted.  Clearly, this person thinks her readers are idiots.

I’m a book buyer, too.  So is Raythe.  We PAY for books and trust that we’re getting a freshly-told story so we can relive our favorite fantasies with a virgin experience.  Like many readers, we DEVOUR books within a certain genre.  From, you know, multiple authors.

Clearly, this person thinks that her readers are stupid… or that they only read her works.  That readers would be so desperate for her story that they wouldn’t read anyone else, and they WOULDN’T NOTICE the striking similarities between Raythe Reign’s Sanctuary and her own work.

Well, Raythe Reign Members aren’t stupid.  It’s due to them that we’ve caught all our plagiarists.  Hats off to you for taking action and standing up for yourself as a paying customer.

 

This plagiarist was a Member, herself.

To add insult to injury, this writer was a Member, herself (until Raythe banned her.)  An active, paying member.  If you’re a Member, this should enrage you, because it means that she is cheapening everything that honest Members are paying for.

This cannot be allowed.  As in school, there must be consequences.  Obviously, Raythe is pursuing a legal angle (and to the plagiarist…  well, get ready.  Raythe’s a laywer, and you’ve committed a crime.)

But YOU, readers and Members, must also demand satisfaction.  Because the injury is ultimately to YOU.  As the most important members of the M/M community (paying customers!), you have been cheated in multiple ways.

This person has…

  • Deceived her paying customers
  • Insulted her paying customers by thinking they wouldn’t notice or care!  It’s almost saying, “as long as they get sex they don’t care who writes it or if it’s in character.”
  • Stolen content from at least Raythe Reign readers… now her entire catalog is suspect.  Has she copied from other M/M authors?  Fanfiction?  She has such a large catalog, and I find it hard to believe that she’s just getting started now.

 

And the most irritating to me as the Raythe Reign marketer?  This author has brought down the dignity and respectability of our community.

M/M readers are denigrated enough.  It’s an uphill battle to get people to buy it because of the inherent shame of wanting gay content.

We do not need this, too.  We do not need to be known as “that crappy genre where authors just rip each other’s sex scenes off.”  As the Raythe Reign cheerleader, I have fought long and hard to cement our image as a “real publisher” — harder than most have to fight, just because we produce gay content.  I’ve done this because the more we look legit, the less reason Amazon has to discriminate against us and any other M/M publisher.

We’re obviously doing what we can as the publisher, but you have much more power than us.  How?  With your reviews.  Reader reviews are still the most powerful influence on book sales.

You may not want to be “public” with your Amazon review because your friends and family might see that you read M/M.  I have the same issue, but let me ask you this: is this acceptable?  Is this right?

If you, the reader, doesn’t police the community with your reviews… who will?

Readers look at reviews to help them make up their minds.  Wouldn’t you want to be told if an author is a plagiarist?  Wouldn’t you be mad at being duped?

I cast aside my own fear to stand up for my rights to pay for original content, and I’m asking you to do the same.  Protect your fellow readers, and let the lazy, greedy plagiarists of the world know that this is not acceptable.
– Kat

Now removed from Amazon, B&N, and Kobo thanks to you!
“Saving Sean” on Goodreads.
See our proof.

98 Responses to Plagiarism, Once Again… This time for money. (Book Buyers, you deserve better than this.)

  1. Moonep June 15, 2015 at 3:28 pm #

    I wrote negative reviews on both Amazon and Goodreads. I can’t believe someone has the audacity to copy Raythe’s hard work, word for word in some places, and then SELL IT as their own! I hope no one ever buys this person’s books again, as I agree that there is probably plagiarism in more of their books from other authors.

    • admin June 15, 2015 at 3:34 pm #

      Thank you so much! Getting the word out and STOPPING this thief from taking people’s hard earned money is key.

      Her publisher is going to take down the work now but it’ll take time and in the meanwhile she’ll be making money. Though I have requested and am entitled to all profits from this “book”.

      Please spread the word and let other people see the evidence and review as well letting people know this is plagiarism.

  2. Takikate June 15, 2015 at 3:55 pm #

    So sad that You guys have to go through all these troubles. Yes, fanfiction plagiarism is already something, but this one is really so revolting. I don’t know this author, but you would expect a professional writer to take the time to write entirely her own stories…

    • admin June 15, 2015 at 4:05 pm #

      This person was a member not the site for 8 months or so. I can’t imagine that on this 11th book in this series that she suddenly started plagiarizing. I’m guessing she’s been doing it to me and other authors.

      I’m working with her publisher to look into the other works as well. This behavior cannot stand. Not one second of it.

      Thank you for your support!

      • stef June 16, 2015 at 3:29 am #

        I know her book The Wolf king has characters in it from your works. I read it a long time ago and noticed the character names but thought the story was original so I never said anything. I may have been wrong though, i didnt like the story much, maybe thats why

  3. Ed June 15, 2015 at 3:55 pm #

    I say sue the individual and make an example of them. This sort of thing should not be allowed.

    • admin June 15, 2015 at 4:13 pm #

      Tempting. I will see if Siren Publishing will hand over all profits on this book and look through her other books for issues similar to this.

      • Chase Potter June 20, 2015 at 3:43 pm #

        Have you talked to a lawyer yet? Publishers are definitely liable, even if they have no knowledge of the plagiarism.

        If you didn’t register your copyright, you’re only entitled to actual damages (ie, all the money they’ve made). However, if you had registered the copyright, you can sue for statutory damages, which can be hundreds or thousands of dollars PER instance of infringement (ie, per copy sold).

        At the risk of looking at this through a bit of a mercenary lens, I think it’s important to go after this as much as you can. Make it hurt for the publisher. And in turn, they can sue the author for breach of contract.

  4. Muffinspider June 15, 2015 at 4:04 pm #

    I’ve just had a look at her site as well, and even the preview of this book is stolen from Sanctuary. The part later on in chapter 27 when Alex and Demetrius are actually in the bath.

    http://lynnhagen.com/saving-sean

    Seriously can’t form the words for how angry people like this make me.

    • admin June 15, 2015 at 4:06 pm #

      Yeah, I saw that, too. She used MY WORK to actually advertise her “novel”. I’ve a DMCA notice with her host as well. We’ll see how that goes. I’m so angry I’m incandescent right now.

  5. ASHLEY June 15, 2015 at 4:10 pm #

    Amazon Took It Down!!! 🙂

  6. Mylillys June 15, 2015 at 4:17 pm #

    Left negative and let my fellow readers know as well. I hope this gets cleared up! By law you should be getting her revenue from this!

    • admin June 15, 2015 at 4:27 pm #

      I have requested that her publisher address damages with me which would be ALL the money they received. But we’ll see.

      My bigger concern is that she has literally TONS of m/m books up there. You tell me that she didn’t plagiarize me in other books? That she didn’t plagiarize other authors?

      It’s not enough that this book is taken down. ALL OF THEM SHOULD BE. Her publisher should do this. They have to take this seriously and remove all her books and assume they are plagiarized, bc its ALWAYS more than one.

  7. Rebecca June 15, 2015 at 4:29 pm #

    Ugh! This person makes me so mad!

    If you can’t think of a story on your own, then don’t write one!

    I really hope this case will be solved quickly.

    • admin June 15, 2015 at 4:32 pm #

      You know your suggestion would solve a lot or problems. I really, really, really hope that Siren Publishing immediately deals with her and removes her other books.

  8. Akiraki June 15, 2015 at 4:33 pm #

    Just hearing and reading this makes me angry that people don’t care about the boundaries that they crush and trample on when they take an honest writer’s work and use it as there own.
    And for it to be a paying member of RR, too, shows how little they truly care about other members.
    But in the end all I can hope, and wish for, is that this plagiarism can be stopped by showing people that every action has a consequence. This is a slap to not only RR face but all other members who pay to read what they like.

    • admin June 15, 2015 at 4:36 pm #

      Yeah, they totally sat there as a Member with Word open as they typed “their story” into the word processing program just thinking how much money this was going to make them.

      I’m sickened.

      Oh here’s her Facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/LynnHagen.Author?fref=photo

      She’s not an “author” she’s a thief. She should change that. I wonder if FB let’s that be the type of person you are?

      • Ed June 15, 2015 at 5:28 pm #

        I followed the link to her facebook you provided but it says no longer available or broken link.

        • admin June 15, 2015 at 6:54 pm #

          I don’t know if her FB went down for a little while, but its back up now.

  9. jajohn June 15, 2015 at 4:45 pm #

    I’m pissed off too after reading this. As a writer myself, to have someone copy my work for profit, I wouldn’t only go so far as taking them to court for plagerizing my work, but as demand the profit this person made off of it. I love raythe’s work even though I don’t comment on it very much. She brings adventure and excitement as well as steamy, hot sexual encounters that make me want to read more each time again and again. To hear that someone is copying her hard work…no words can discribe how pissed I am about it. I hope raythe gets the justice she deserves out of this and the plagerist doesn’t get away with future plagerism, not only from raythe, but other m/m authors that she stole from.

    • admin June 15, 2015 at 4:55 pm #

      Thank you so much for your kind words.

      Imagine the work you slaved over being profited by Siren publishing and oh, someone you allowed to read your work … yeah, its a stick in the eye.

      I’ve requested damages from Siren. What I also really want them to do is to remove all her works with the assumption that they are plagiarized.

  10. ilona June 15, 2015 at 5:03 pm #

    I just checked my vast library of m/m books and am glad to say I have never bought anything of hers. If I had I would be demanding my money back from someone (hopefully the ‘author’* herself, ultimately).
    * This word is being said with a very sarcastic voice.

    If there is one thing I hate above all others it is stealing someone else’s hard work. My daughter is an author so I know what goes into producing good books and no author should be plagued by theft of their imaginations.

    • admin June 15, 2015 at 6:55 pm #

      When Lynn called to apologize, which she knew was not enough, she stated that she had a lot of bills and her normal fertile imagination just went blank. She loved the story Sanctuary and though she knew it was wrong thought this was a solution to her problems. It actually just made her problems much, much worse.

  11. Ed June 15, 2015 at 5:03 pm #

    Not sure if you’ve noticed, but, looks like Amazon removed all her entries. They emailed me to say my review couldn’t post. I wrote a strongly worded review to shame her actions so I went back to see if I could re-attempt to post or post it to her other works, but, no dice. Amazon didn’t give me a single listing for the author Lynn Hagen

    • admin June 15, 2015 at 6:56 pm #

      Thank you so much for trying to review. Her other books are still up (I was able to find them by going to her author page).

      She’s admitted the theft to me and apologized, but there are huge issues here.

  12. Chrissies June 15, 2015 at 6:13 pm #

    wow….. That is a real bad move on her part! I used to get all her books but i don’t think I will anymore, how dare she plagiarize!

    • admin June 15, 2015 at 6:58 pm #

      She really needs to hear this from her readers. While she recognizes what she did was wrong, to understand your perspectives is huge. She says that this was the one and only time she did this. I can’t speak to the truth of that. I’d like to believe that. But I haven’t looked at her other books.

    • GhostRage June 15, 2015 at 8:23 pm #

      I had pretty much the same reaction. I won’t bother with them again because I’ll be to busy wondering if it’s someone else’s to enjoy the book. I left a review saying as much.

  13. tjofeliten June 15, 2015 at 7:22 pm #

    How dare she!!!! I feel sickened by her actions and I am so mad on your behalf, all that work and someone just steals it. I don´t think I have heard of her before and I hope she hasn’t written any of the books I’m considering buying. I really hope she pays and that she has learnt her lesson. There is no excuse for what she has done!

    • admin June 15, 2015 at 7:42 pm #

      There is no excuse though she claims to have been having a rough time, but … that’s not sufficient. I sincerely hope that she and Siren do the right thing and turn over all money they made from the book.

  14. GhostRage June 15, 2015 at 8:19 pm #

    I own a book from Lynn that I never finished and indeed forgotten I had since it was archived. I realized I owned one of her books when I looked her up and the other series came up. I pulled the book up (Brac Pac: Stormy eyes, it is book #5 in that series) and the cover has me bothered as one of the characters on the front looks almost exactly like the one on the cover of one of my other books. Ugh how the hell could she justify (even in her own head) stealing someone else’s work. I since I never reviewed the book I did and left the following review:

    I will never purchase another of this author’s books again! Nor will I finish the one I have as I’ll be to busy wondering whose work she stole to enjoy it!
    She got caught (and admitted to) copying the work of another author whose stories I read.
    I had archived this book without finishing it and indeed forgotten I had it. To make matters worse when I pulled this book back up the Asian male on the cover looks almost exactly like one on the cover of my book called Heart of the Dragon (Jordan L. Hawk).
    Now I’ll always look at this author and wonder if the book I’m thinking of buying should be bought elsewhere so that the rightful author gets the credit.
    As a writer myself I can’t stand thieves of this sort in any way, shape or form.
    If I could review this with no stars I would

    I figured you should know what I said in case someone asks(however unlikely).

    Oh! it appears that Barns and Noble has pulled the book as I could not find it when I went to review.

    • admin June 15, 2015 at 8:48 pm #

      Thank you for your support!

      Yeah, B&N took the longest, but pulled it.

      Every minute felt like an hour, but they all acted pretty quickly though how many more books were sold? Yeah, that’s an issue.

      The issue that you brought up in your review … that’s an issue.

      • GhostRage June 15, 2015 at 11:21 pm #

        Oh, you mean the cover image? How would I go about bringing that to the proper person’s attention?

        • LIsa June 16, 2015 at 10:24 pm #

          I have seen that cover image on several books and many others have the same cover….I always wondered what was up with that.

  15. Vidya June 15, 2015 at 8:42 pm #

    My first thought when I saw this was “Oh no, not again!” My second thought was “This. This is why we don’t have the download chapter buttons anymore.”

    I always abhor plagiarism (been there, wanted to kill the person, anyone tries it again they’re going DOWN) but it’s even worse in this case because not only are they making money, but they were one of US. They were a member. Just reading the comments on the RR Site, you can tell that members are friendly and happy to have a dialogue with each other about the latest story. It’s a family. Which means this person betrayed every. last. one. of the other members. And for what? I mean, yeah, you find a sex scene in Sanctuary that you really like. Identify what exactly it is you like about it. Is it the setting? The position? And then write your own scene incorporating that element. There is absolutely no call to just copy it! It all else fails, ask someone for advice. I’m sure if this person had commented on the next RR chapter with a sex scene and said “I always have trouble writing sex scenes. How do you do it?” There would have been multiple helpful responses.

    I know it’s been said by others already, but I am truly sorry this happened to you guys and good luck getting the royalties.

    • admin June 15, 2015 at 8:54 pm #

      Yes, you understand about the downloading chapter button … Unfortunately.

      And you identified the hugest issue: she betrayed THE MEMBERS. All of you. The money we take in mostly goes back to the site. I don’t know how much Siren and Ms. Hagen made on the book (though I have some guesses) and I just grit my teeth because that money could be used for more art, another manga, something else for the Members. But no, it went in the pockets of people who have no right to it.

      I’m pursuing this because Siren is a publisher. It actually brags about how much it makes per year on its website. It needs to hand over EVERY LAST DOLLAR for what it made on this book and I’m going to put it right back into the site. Do something awesome for members with it, dammit.

      Let’s see what happens.

  16. River Iris June 15, 2015 at 8:52 pm #

    I’ve already said my peace on plagiarism when it’s come up before–it’s rotten pure and simple–but I did want to mention something else you brought up. I can get M/M sex in Fan-Fiction one shots and in cheep, but good, short stories that are $5 or less. I go here, pay my bi-yearly subscription fee, and get long well written and developed stories. The sex is the conclusion, or sometimes plot glue. It is not a drunk quickie that one feels ashamed over; unless that’s the point as it is in ‘The Artifact’. I feel the characters need a bit of physical love by the time they get to it. My point is: even if I can’t reasonably tell my family I like this sort of thing, I’m not ashamed that I do. And for someone to take your words and sell them as their own, it says I’m a c**t that should be grateful for anything as long as it itches a need. (sorry if my language is a bit harsh, and yes I’m this finicky regarding my words in real life, but I needed to get this out there.)

    • admin June 15, 2015 at 8:56 pm #

      Thank you for your continuing support!

      I know. Of all things why take one of my sex scenes? There are people out there who write damned better sex scenes than me, but because we love the characters that’s the payoff. Yet in this case, not only did she steal that, she and her publisher USED THE SEX SCENE to SELL THE BOOK. Literally, it was on her and the publisher’s website as the SAMPLE!

      Her “book” was only 100 KINDLE PAGES long, which means that the sex scene she grabbed was a huge portion of the book. Also, she lifted other things that I didn’t go into.

      • Casandra June 16, 2015 at 3:23 am #

        Really, Raythe? I think you’re being way too hard on yourself, because if there is better sex scenes out there, I haven’t read them yet.

        • admin June 16, 2015 at 3:33 am #

          Thank you! They are always HARD to write, which is why she probably copy-pasted. It’s got to be hot without sounding like a bunch of actions and you’ve got to do the choreography!

          • Casandra June 16, 2015 at 6:18 am #

            The only choreography that could possibly be compared to your sex scenes is that of the ice skater, or, better yet, an elf dancing beneath the full moon – graceful beyond words and seemingly effortless.

  17. Keith June 15, 2015 at 9:11 pm #

    This is outrageous.
    I posted on Goodreads and on her FB page.

    I don’t understand. Even if you are in a rough time… how can you steal from a fellow author? How will anyone respect the m/m genre, if its own authors don’t respect it??! She did more than stealing words, she betrayed the trust of both the m/m writers and readers. I understand it’s very hard to publish m/m novels, you have to face censorship from every corner… if authors don’t support each others and treat their readers with respect, the genre will never get the recognition it needs. It will be labeled as a genre “where you can basically just copy and paste the same sex scene in several books and the readers won’t see the difference and still enjoy it”.

    I’m pretty mad. I don’t like that she stole from you, that she lied to her readers, and that she thought the sex scene from RR was what would sell her book, as if m/m readers didn’t care about the story, as if RR’s best thing to steal from was the sex scenes. (I mean, you sex scenes are AMAZING Raythe really!! But it’s for your stories and characters that I pay. I can find enough PWP on fanfictions.)

    • admin June 15, 2015 at 9:21 pm #

      You’re such an awesome person! Thank you!

      M/M is a small genre. Word gets around. The fact that a Member read this and was like WAIT A MINUTE?! Then alerted me which is the most awesome thing ever tells you how small it is in some ways. You can’t do this and there not be consequences eventually.

      The thing is that she and her publisher have had three months of sales not just of this book, but the rest of her series. Every book bumps the others. So they’ve benefited in multiple ways from this.

      And, honestly, you’re right that my sex scenes are likely the least of what the stories are about. They’re to enhance the story, not be it. But they sold her book on the strength of that single sex scene …

      Argh. I literally stayed home from work today to deal with this. I was too upset. Shaking for hours. I know that sounds like a lot but I was literally incandescent with rage again. And the need to get that piece taken down.

      She’s stealing from all of us. Her publisher needs to address the damages like now. They have accounting of where there were sales, they need to hand it over. And then we use it here for something worthwhile and for the READERS not for this other crap.

    • Casandra June 16, 2015 at 3:26 am #

      Oh, I agree. Sure, sometimes what I need is a PWP, but, usually, I just like to relax with a good book, and Raythe’s are some of the best and most rewarding that I’ve ever read, up there with my favorites, and certainly the best romances I’ve read.

      • admin June 16, 2015 at 3:33 am #

        Again, you’re saying the nicest things that just make me feel so much better … though I still need a drink after today. It’s not over either.

  18. Miyanoai June 15, 2015 at 9:19 pm #

    Now I’m curious as those “reasons” mentioned above were (if it’s possible for you to share of course). Just what could she have possible try to come up with that would explain this crime? I just wish I had had time to read about this in my email earlier so I could take part in reviewing while it was still up on those sites. I’ll probably make a goodreads account just for this cause. Honestly, how do people actually think they can get away with stuff like this? (sadly they do sometimes, but I’m so glad it was caught here).
    I didn’t know Raythe was a lawyer though, you get her girl! ^_^

    • admin June 15, 2015 at 9:57 pm #

      Her reasons were sadly deficient even in her own eyes, but they were this:

      If you rely on Amazon and other third-party distributors you’ve got to “feed the beast”, i.e., you need to get content up regularly on the shortest possible time frame like once a week in order to keep visibility.

      She got addicted to the money and claimed to need it for some medical issues with her kids and yet had writer’s block at one point. So she grabbed Sanctuary, a story she admittedly loves and copy-pasted bunches of it, used other parts of it as a backdrop and … there you go.

      She knew it was wrong.

      And I just got a bullshit email from her publisher … yeah, going to post about that too.

    • Casandra June 16, 2015 at 3:27 am #

      I made a Goodreads account just for this, as you might have.

  19. Neyjour June 15, 2015 at 9:43 pm #

    Every time I see this, my heart sinks… and yet I also feel a sense of pride at how the M/M community rallies together to expose and fight these thieves.

    I’m so sorry this happened to you, Raythe. 🙁 But thank goodness someone caught it quickly!

    I have to raise an eyebrow at the fact that she wants to come here and answer questions. Is she hoping to garner sympathy by stating her “reasons” publicly? If so, I’m not even remotely interested. The ONLY thing this woman should be doing is offering profuse (and SINCERE) apologies. Period. There’s also the legal issue of monetary compensation (but I don’t know enough about the law to go deeper into that).

    And her saying this was the “one and only” time she’s done this makes me HIGHLY suspicious. It might be a good idea for the community to dig a little deeper on this, and look closely at all past works of hers that we’ve purchased. I only have one: Hawk’s Pretty Baby, (which I vividly remember hating and couldn’t finish – pseudo-pedophilia doesn’t sit well with me), but it never sparked a sense of familiarity with anything else I’ve ever read.

    • admin June 15, 2015 at 9:59 pm #

      That’s a good point, but I asked her to do this. She didn’t volunteer it. I had the same concerns as you that she would use it to garner sympathy. But I want to understand what goes through a person’s head.

      Also, I just received an email from her publisher claiming that they don’t owe me anything (not all the money they received) b/c Ms. Hagen will be paying it out b/c in their contract she’s responsible for all copyright infringement.

      My little lawyer heart laughed! And I said: uhm, no. Your company made illegal profits. That you may be able to get them back from Ms. Hagen due to your contract does not mean that you don’t owe them to me. I think I’ll be doing a little post on Siren Publishing, too.

      HEADDESK

  20. Fiona hayes June 15, 2015 at 11:07 pm #

    Well I have already sent out on my Facebook about her and to ban her books next is I am going to complain to amazon as I am a prime member for years with them and if they can ban other books they can pull hers .just goes to say she really can not write as she has to steal.most sorry about this she won’t learn her lesson.she will probably keep doing as she has gotten away with it.also to all of us who a member’s she can go to he’ll.

    • admin June 15, 2015 at 11:18 pm #

      Thanks sweetie! Yeah, its down, but now comes the second (and harder) part, getting back the money they illegally received for it.

  21. CedanyBryce June 15, 2015 at 11:31 pm #

    Pssh, if you would just stop being so awesome, Raythe, this wouldn’t happen so much. It’s your own damn fault ya know? : D

    Funny how people think they can get away with this sort of thing when their target is seen as being from a relatively small, obscure niche. Uhm, news flash, from what I’ve seen the smaller the niche, the more rabid the fan–and the more quickly word gets around! Poor form on her part. “Go wait tables if you need extra money” never occured to her? Hell, the cash return is more certain, cash in pocket nightly! Plenty of aspiring authors do not make what they expected. Methinks the ease of the route to her goals was foremost in her mind, not whether it was the right one…

    • admin June 16, 2015 at 12:01 am #

      I’m not feeling so awesome right now. More like exhausted. Got a BS reply from her publisher and I’m feeling incredibly leery about the whole prospect of this. I don’t know if I will ask her to post or if she will because of the stern language I used.

      She and her publisher owe me damages. Publisher says: (1) author signed contract that work was original (2) author agreed to handle all infringement/copyright claims; (3) she’s said she was handling it.

      Uhm NO.

      (1) She lied; (2) publisher has made money off of illegal work, they can’t keep it, they need to hand it over, even if she indemnifies them they get it BACK from her; (3) she hasn’t offered a dime.

      • CedanyBryce June 16, 2015 at 12:59 am #

        I do hope this doesn’t end up being more of a hassle than it’s worth. While I’m all for seeing an example being made of her, not if it’s at the expense of your happiness! Find anything on people being successful in copyright litigations against authors/publishers with this kind of contract? I hope so, though I’m sure this kind of contract is geared towards “muddying the waters.” Time for you to get saucey with them!

        I would second the idea of not having the lady post. I don’t see any good that can come of it with the hostility which is brewing, but I can definitely see some bad. I don’t much care for what she has to say, myself. You may say you want to understand her motives, but if you think about it you already KNOW, on some level, and that’s as close as you need get.. I would wager that you’re a good person. To UNDERSTAND a thing is to let a bit of that thing in, and this thing is ugly and foul. If a person puts their “heart and soul” into their art, what is an attack on their art? Not something you need to bring closer to yourself than it has already come.

        I think tonight you deserve a bubble bath and a glass (or three) of wine.

        • admin June 16, 2015 at 2:09 am #

          You’re a wise, wise person. I’m getting the damned wine, but need to make sure Ghost Half gets done and is lucid for you guys! Lol! If there’s misspellings you know its the wine.

          • CedanyBryce June 16, 2015 at 2:37 am #

            Notice misspellings? Pah, I partaketh myself! Imbibe, dear author, let the devil-juice flow! We shall anticipate a particularly saucey chapter : P

          • Casandra June 16, 2015 at 3:35 am #

            CedanyBryce, you are hilarious. Just thought you should know.

          • Casandra June 16, 2015 at 3:40 am #

            Ah, you just got the Ghost Half up. It’s time for that bubble bath. I find lavender particularly soothing, myself. (Doesn’t everyone?) Relax, Raythe. Everything will sort out in time, and you can’t stay wired and in a red-hot rage through it all, or you’ll just stress yourself out more. Jist remember, your readers are behind you.

      • JoAnn June 16, 2015 at 2:12 pm #

        Wow, spoken like a true lawyer. It’s all about the money.

        • admin June 16, 2015 at 5:51 pm #

          And what should it be about, JoAnn? What do you think it was about for Lynn? She told me flat out herself: the money. You’d rather her keep it then it go back where it belongs? That’s a really interesting idea …

          • JoAnn June 17, 2015 at 1:28 pm #

            People do desperate things when backed in a corner. What she did was definitely wrong but the names she is being called in unfortunate. I would do anything for my family. I’ve never read anything you have written and probably won’t because of the hatchet job.

  22. GhostRage June 15, 2015 at 11:42 pm #

    From my earlier post you replied that the cover image is an issue. I did reply to that post but was uncertain if you would get it. How would I go about notifying the proper people so they can look into it. I’d rather report and it not be an issue than have another author get ripped off or continue to get ripped off.

    • admin June 15, 2015 at 11:59 pm #

      I’m not sure I was clear as I can’t tell if the images are the same.

      First, find out if the image was sold to you exclusively (is this a photograph, etc.). If it was or a piece of art that is yours exclusively and you hold the copyright/trademark thereto, you can ask for a take down again.

      But make sure that you have the exclusive rights to that image. Often stock sites sell multiple times, etc.

      Again, I’m NOT acting in a lawyer in this blogpost or comment lol (I have to put that in). But the above is where I would start.

    • Jack June 17, 2015 at 2:49 am #

      I understand your concern about the cover image, but I don’t think it is anything to worry about. I have several sets of books where the covers background is different, but the people on the cover are the same. Different authors, different series. I just think the authors used the same models for the covers. I don’t think its plagerising.

  23. Zwankima June 15, 2015 at 11:57 pm #

    I’m so sorry this happened to you. I’m upset that I was at work and unable to assist in posting complaints about the plagiarism. Happy that things are in works to fix this situation. I have never bought a book from this “writer” and I never will.

    • admin June 16, 2015 at 12:13 am #

      You are the best!

      Seriously though the harder work is coming and that is to get the publisher especially to pay out what they earned. So your displeasure should make them aware that this is not appreciated by readers of m/m!

  24. Methusleah1 June 16, 2015 at 1:44 am #

    I commented on goodreads and on Facebook about her lies. Here is how to report her through Facebook and get that page taken down as well: https://m.facebook.com/help/www/249141925204375

    • admin June 16, 2015 at 2:10 am #

      She’s now blocking anyone from posting on her page. Likely wise for her. But she can’t ignore this. I won’t let her or Siren ignore it.

  25. A_H_ June 16, 2015 at 2:16 pm #

    As a writer myself, this is so sickening. I will leave my comments on Goodreads and wherever else I can, later today. Raythe, you are awesome and will continue to be awesome and churn out incredible, original work that some people can only look at with envy. You’ll get through this and come out stronger. I’m heartened to see how much your fan base supports you!! At least you are not alone. ((((HUGS))))

    • admin June 16, 2015 at 7:55 pm #

      Not feeling alone has been the one bright spark in all of this and I thank you for it.

  26. gravita June 16, 2015 at 2:26 pm #

    sorry if i say something what may sound wrong for a lot of you guys but lets face it out there in the whole wide world will it give a lot of plagiarism books music and films. from that the world does not end so put out the fire and store the pitchforks back in the garage i bought a few books from lynn my last was broken nail diva and i will continue to buy books from her she made a mistake ok fine but everybody does them so advice meet and get to an agreement you two and forget it cause the world will not end tomorrow but you can seriously damage a persons life with this thing you have going so think it over what you do

    • admin June 16, 2015 at 5:54 pm #

      Gravita – Lynn is the one that has done this to herself. She told me that much yesterday. She CHOSE to do this. She did it deliberately. She did it for the money. She knew it was wrong, but as she told me she wanted the money and her mind was blank. This WASN’T a mistake. This was INTENTIONAL. She stole my work and profited from it.

      It’s NOT good of you to support her in this, because as she herself has said, it was wrong. She did a wrong thing. Please stop white-knighting her, it does a disservice to her and to other readers who were duped by her.

    • a_h- June 16, 2015 at 8:15 pm #

      I have to say this does sound wrong. There is a reason you get expelled from college for plagiarism. It is incredibly difficult to write a good book in the first place, then twice as hard to get it out there on the market, promote it, get sales so you can pay bills so you can write more books. Yet authors are doing it; they make those worlds for us to live in and that’s part of why we love them. You don’t become an m/m author to make big money! Raytheon does it for love of writing. When you do that, each story contains a piece of yourself, a huge chunk of your identity, energy, and passion. To have someone rip that away is a grotesque violation, as personal as breaking into your house. If someone stole my book and pawned it off as their own idea, I would be utterly devastated. And I would without a doubt want recompense and for that person to be “expelled” for what they had deliberately done. If you don’t think it’s a big deal then you’re entitled to that viewpoint, just as everyone else is entitled to be furious. Just because plagiarism may be prevelant doesn’t mean we should treat it as being remotely acceptable.

      • a_h- June 16, 2015 at 8:17 pm #

        (Sorry; I typed “Raythe ” and my phone autocorrected)

      • Casandra June 17, 2015 at 6:36 pm #

        I couldn’t agree more.

  27. Nekko June 16, 2015 at 4:17 pm #

    After having the courage and putting in the huge amount of work to create your own business to put MM forward at a time when Amazon and others would not support nor sell such works, it is particularly anger making to have the same system now sell work plagiarized from you.
    I am glad you have been so successful in having the bogus work removed and I hope you are able to see that they do no profit one dime from such activities.

    • admin June 16, 2015 at 5:58 pm #

      In some ways its shows how far m/m has come that now there’s such a demand for it that people are willing to do just about anything to get more books out there.

      But it saddens me, too. We should be supporting each other, readers and writers alike, in this genre not stealing from one another. We’ve got enough pressure on us as it is.

  28. gravita June 16, 2015 at 8:00 pm #

    didn´t do you anything wrong up till now, didn´t you where desperate in some kind of way to make wrong decisions if not congratulation for a perfect life. i do know how it is.

    • admin June 16, 2015 at 8:27 pm #

      I’m sorry but I’ve NEVER stolen from anyone in my life no matter how desperate I’ve been. Ms. Hagen was “desperate” to put out a book a week! That’s not desperate. That’s ridiculous! And it wasn’t like she put up a new book and cha-ching! MONEY! No, this money would have come to her months down the line. She had money from her current books coming in.

      She could have taken a few more days to write the book herself. But she didn’t. She just copy-pasted mine and changed a few things and put her shell around it.

      So this isn’t about being “perfect”. This isn’t about making a “mistake”. This is about her STEALING b/c she kept wanting the money train to go on. She said this HERSELF.

  29. Mary June 16, 2015 at 11:43 pm #

    Other authors in the genre need to look at her work to see if they are a victim too. This can not be the first time she did this. I looked at Goodreads and according to the publication dates on their site she published 48 books in 2011 alone and the other years are not too far behind. I don’t know anyone who can put out a full length book a week for a year even if the books were horrible. The fact that Siren is saying this is not their problem and they will not pay for it ranks just below the “author” (if you can call her that) stealing.

  30. Jack June 17, 2015 at 2:32 am #

    I am ashamed to say I am familiar with this authors work. I bought a copy of book #10 in the Christian’s Covent series, of which the plagerised book is #11. I’m glad it is the only book of hers I own because even though I liked the book, it now feels tainted, especially since I was looking forward to buying the next book in the series, i.e. the plagerized Sancuary. I’m grateful to the Raythe Reign member who caught the plagerism before I was duped. THANK YOU SO MUCH! I will not be buying from Lynn Hagen again.

  31. goldflower June 17, 2015 at 2:41 am #

    so sorry to hear that this happens, raythe. Again 🙁 *hugs*
    hopefully this whole thing will be resolved fast. We members can see how taxing it is to you 🙁
    We want happy!Raythe because happy!Raythe means more story and more art 🙂

    and for those who never read the story from one ms. hagen, you sure miss nothing. Because after being pampered by raythe’s work, hers are paled in comparison. Seriously, the fanfictions that i’ve read are even better than hers.

  32. Mary June 17, 2015 at 2:48 am #

    Jack, I understand feeling tainted. My best friend just bought me her first two books from another series. I was really looking forward to reading them and now I don’t know if I want to read them or not.

  33. a_h_ June 17, 2015 at 3:11 am #

    Raythe, I just created a Goodreads account and posted about the plaigarism on Saving Sean and her other top books as well, just to get the word out to other readers. Having someone steal my work is my worst nightmare. I’m on board for whatever I can do in this. And Siren can bite me; I will NEVER buy books from them, because they clearly don’t care that their author=their company is stealing work. Anyone who remotely thinks this is ok, YOU spend months and years fighting to get the words out, to craft the scene, aching when your characters ache, rewriting chapters until they’re just so, and have some self-justified punk swipe it out from under you and parade it like it was their own–why? Because they were short on cash? I would NEVER DO THIS TO ANYONE else. It’s called INTEGRITY, and yeah even DESPERATE people can still have INTEGRITY. I’ve known desperate people. I’ve known them living on the streets and still paying debts where they could and not ripping off credit cards or stealing artists’ work to sell. This blog is not about vindictiveness; these are CONSEQUENCES and they are for the protection of the readers and also those of us seeking to leave a mark in the world as authors. This person knew exactly what she was doing. She needs to pick a new career path.

  34. Ellie Vorse June 17, 2015 at 8:43 pm #

    I was so ANGRY when I read this post!
    Hell, I still am! But I’m glad that you seem to be making progress on this extremely offensive problem.

    If there’s anything I can do to help -like post something on my/her facebook page, leave a review somewhere, or anything – I will!

    I’m sure other people who love you and your work would/already have, as well.

    This really is shameful behavior, and I am very glad that I have never purchased any of her works.
    And now I most definitely never will do so.

    If I were her – totally NEVER would be, EVER – the thing that would be the most awful thing about all this would be losing access to your stories.

    She could always get a job doing something else, and might have to/should have to, after this, but losing the right to read Raythe’s words?

    No amount of MONEY could EVER be worth that!

  35. k June 18, 2015 at 12:56 am #

    well, bad case but i will continue to buy Lynn’s book. I have all of them and love them. So what if one of them is plagiarised?
    / this must be arranged between the sides. i don’t care what is done. i am not lawyer, i am just regular person who want to read. i don’t care for drama. its ugly that you make so much nose for something which you have to fix together/

    for me is important that her book is lovely and nice and easy to read. And i will not stop buy them because of this.

    • admin June 18, 2015 at 1:12 am #

      I”m sorry but this is the most absurd position any one has ever offered and because of that I highly doubt that its a “real” position.

      But I’m going to address your comment, because it’s important to talk about this.

      The people most harmed by plagiarism are the READERS. She ripped you off. She stole from you. She lied to you. Her “book” isn’t her book. What made it “lovely and nice and easy to read” wasn’t her writing at all, but MINE.

      Think on that.

    • Tonya June 19, 2015 at 4:59 pm #

      You ARE NOT reading her “nice easy to read” work if she STOLE IT from Raythe!

  36. k June 18, 2015 at 1:23 am #

    Well, this is my real position./ i can give you skype if you want to chat for this but i perfer not/ From all her book i dislike 4-5 and don’t like so much 5. And the book for Sean was one of the books which i don’t like so much.so don’t care for what she “ripped from me or stole”. in my country 70% of authors copy from someone so i really don’t care. Lynn is one of my favourite authors so independently her bad choose i will continue to buy her books.

  37. Honeykissfire June 18, 2015 at 2:09 am #

    Just read about what happened and the comments. I’ve had this happen to me and I haven’t published a book yet. It was the same situation as it was a member of a forum that took my entire story and posted it on another forum. I was fortunate like you that someone caught it and asked questions. It really sucks and for a time I wanted to close my site, but I kept it up because I know people like my works.

    I’ve noticed that there were a few people that said basically to suck it up, it happens. These kind of people to me are f*ckin’ idiots. You put so much into this and someone decides to take your hard work and call it their own. It hurts when people do something like this and I mean on the physical as well as mentally and emotionally. You know these characters, you have conversations with them in your head (well, I do anyway) You develop worlds for them to live in, you feel their happiness, their pain, and for someone to come along and just snatch that and call it their own, it hurts and it’s sickens me. It’s even worse that someone would tell you to get over it because it happens.

    Keep on Siren about this. They are, in a sense, selling stolen goods and should do right by you and give you the money they profited from the sale of your work. I’ll keep my eyes open to any sites that may carry her works and let the know the situation.

    Much love to you! *hug*

    • Tonya June 19, 2015 at 5:52 pm #

      Ok, I guess I’m not to say what I really want to say because I keep getting error messages & my reply is not posted.

      Raythe..I’m so sorry this happened again ann I thank you for not throwing in the towel and giving up.

      Lynn…As a former fan, I cannot express how hurt & disappointed I am in you. I LOVE Johnny and now I question if he was even yours or if there is another author that I need to thank for such a brilliant character.

      K & Gravita…you guys are CRAZY if stealing is ok with you. If I was friends with you in the “real” world, I would definitely be checking my stuff.

  38. k June 20, 2015 at 9:12 am #

    Well it is not ok i just don’ t care when she is not stealing from me. Futhermore agitation which makes Raythen against Lynn is foully and unworthily. Yes, it is sad but what happed to her but it only goes down to lynn level xd

    Bad luck but its not end of the word.

    • Tonya June 26, 2015 at 3:42 pm #

      “Well it is not ok I just don’t care when she is not stealing from me”…. That sum’s up what is so wrong with the world today. If it is not happening to you then it’s bad luck for that person but oh well. Then when something bad does happen to you and no one is willing to help, you wonder why. No, it’s not the end of the world but it is the end to a couple parts of it. Trust. Faith. Innocence. Calling someone out and making them accountable for what they did wrong is not going “down” to someone’s level. If Raythe just went out & stole her work & made a profit & then refused to do the right thing, THAT is lowering yourself to the same level. Gena Showalter said it best in her Lord’s of the Underworld Series, The Darkest Touch “I would rather save the enemy who tells me the truth than the friend who tells me lies.” Same concept here. I am/was a fan of Lynn Hagen. It may seem stupid to you but I feel betrayed by her. Yes, I have never met the woman & probably never will but that trust that I had in her work is gone. This may be the only time she did this or just the only time she has been caught but it still puts a shadow over her work…..I’m shutting up now.

  39. Ethan Stone June 20, 2015 at 3:06 pm #

    My attempt to make sure this isn’t swept under the rug.
    http://www.prismbookalliance.com/2015/06/lynn-hagen-plagiarist-outside-the-margins-with-ethan-stone/

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